The Amazing Race S01E15

Miss Alli: Somebody's spending, like, $835 for your stuff, dude.

Rob: I know. I think I'm going to put my passport up too, actually.

Miss Alli: I would, too, if you're getting bites like that! I'm going...I'm going at least five bucks on the Muppet shades.

Rob: [laughs] Yeah, the Muppet shades could go.

[Here, Brennan picks up the extension and says hello.]

Miss Alli: Do you still have the Muppet shades?

Rob: I do still have the Muppet shades, as a matter of fact, although I thought we'd proved through discourse that these were not Muppet shades.

Miss Alli: Yeah, well, they're Muppet shades in my heart.

Rob: Well, all right, in your heart they can be Muppet shades.

Brennan: They COULD go on a Muppet, that's the point.

Miss Alli: That's exactly -- and they would look right at home on a Muppet, am I right?

Rob: Exactly.

Miss Alli: I'm exactly right.

[Here, we have a dull conversation about interview logistics and spy technology that you don't need to overhear. Because it's a dull conversation about interview logistics and spy technology.]

Miss Alli: Start at the beginning, tell me the tale of why you thought you might want to do this. Not the interview, the show.

Brennan: [laughs] That's a good clarification.

Miss Alli: I was going to say, I think we can all wonder why you would want to do THIS.

Brennan: We really did the show kind of on a whim. A friend of mine heard about the show and suggested that we'd be a good team, and we talked about it, and then we didn't do anything about it. The first deadline passed, luckily they extended it a couple weeks, and then the night before the deadline, I came in, I said to Rob, "You know, we've talked about doing the show, or sending in a tape for the show, and we probably won't get on, but once the show goes on the air, we're gonna kick ourselves and say, you know, 'Why didn't we at least give it a chance?'" So, we threw together a tape about nine o'clock the night before it was due. Luckily, it's right here in L.A., so we had a courier from our firm take the tape over to the World Race offices, and it just kind of went from there.

Miss Alli: And what did you do on this tape?

Rob: You know, it was funny, I think a lot of teams -- or contestants, or applicants, I guess I should say -- do these elaborate things where they stage things outside or set things up, and it's really only a three-minute tape the producers want. And I think that one of the reasons we got far along in the interview process is that we didn't do anything crazy. We just sat there, talked about each other, talked about ourselves, and talked about our friendship. An elaborate tape shows that you can produce a tape, but it doesn't show who you are, which is what's important to the producers of these shows.

Brennan: So we each took a minute and talked about ourselves, and then we took a minute of the two of us sitting at a table kind of bantering back and forth. And we tried to be a little bit cocky, knowing that that might be something that could get us on the show. We talked about our friendship, talked about our differences, and talked about why we thought we would make good television. And fortunately for us, they bought it.

Rob: They thought we'd have all sorts of fights, and Brennan would want to go this way, and I'd want to go the other way...because that was one of our tag lines was that we're both leaders, rather than followers, and that we were going to butt heads all the time about which way to go.

Brennan: And we honestly did think that.

Rob: Yeah, we did.

Brennan: They asked us a lot about that in the interviews. And we both...we thought that would kinda be the case, and I guess most of the time, we just made the same decision.

Miss Alli: So you really did. That was not fake? That was not faked-up that you never argued about anything ever, EVER?

Brennan: You know, it wasn't faked. The story I tell once in a while is...the episode in Thailand where we were on the motorcycle, and our guy stopped to get gas, and I kinda tried to calm Rob down. I watched that one on the cbs.com, and that really was a fight. I thought it was kind of funny that because we're the non-fighting team, they took our very few fights and made them so they weren't fights. And it came out in the episode as me just trying to calm Rob down a little bit, and then when I watched it on the Internet, we actually were kind of fighting a little bit.

Miss Alli: Yeah, no, 'cause it definitely came out like a whole [in the voice you'd use to calm down your cat], "Ohhhhh, it's okay..."

Brennan: Right, but at first I told him to calm down, and that's all they had me say. They didn't have Rob coming back saying, "YOU calm down." And in reality, that's what he did.

Rob: There were times when we had little spats like that, but it never affected how we played the game, and that was the important part.

Brennan: And some of the time, we just saved it for off-camera.

Rob: We'd talk about it at the pit stops.

Miss Alli: Uh-huh. 'Cause they did sort of have you doing that Fused Brain thing.

Rob: Yes. Well, we are a fused brain, basically. I mean, that was a fair representation. We thought a lot alike most of the time.

Brennan: We both had our tasks, and we each did our tasks.

Miss Alli: So, like, being the eating guy...

Brennan: Yeah, and Rob being the one who would order the cabs at the pit stops, and me being the one that would talk to the people at the airport. You know, we each did our thing, and that's what we stuck to. That's kind of why it came off like "the Fused Brain thing." [Note: Please imagine that as very carefully enunciated to emphasize its goofiness -- sort of "theeeeee fused brain THING."]

Rob: There was never really any outward discussion or debate about who was going to do what.

Miss Alli: Well, it made you go faster anyway.

R&B: [practically in unison] Yeah.

Rob: It worked for us.

Miss Alli: Everything was speedy.

Rob: We can't complain.

Brennan: You know, one of the things I've told other people is, it's not -- you don't think about making good television when you're doing something like this. You're thinking about -- the reality for us was we were trying to win a race. We did what we had to do to win that race, not thinking, "Oooh, maybe we should be fighting," or "Maybe we should be doing really exciting, dumb things so that they get on TV." You just -- you don't think about that. You're trying to win a race, and [rueful chuckle] unfortunately, that's the way we did it.

Rob: 'Cause, like I told you in Minnesota, it's funny, when we banter back and forth and we call each other "jackass" all the time and we make fun of each other; it was just -- they had a team already doing that, they didn't need it. To an extent, what you saw of us was a fair depiction, that we did just kind of put our noses to the grindstone and get things done, but there are a lot of dimensions to our character that didn't get shown because they didn't need to.

Miss Alli: Just in the sense that you don't actually sit there and...you know, not talk, and...

Rob: Right. Exactly.

Miss Alli: So, did you see the poll, Brennan, about why you don't talk?

Brennan: Yeah, I did, but I think I saw it early enough that I don't know what the final results were.

Miss Alli: You know, I don't know what the final results were. I think actually it came out that the one where Rob had put the horse's head in Bruckheimer's bed ["that's leading in its poll, by the way" -- Sars]...I personally voted for the one that said you don't actually speak English and had to learn everything phonetically like Roxette.

Rob: No ingles!

Brennan: I think I happened to log on to the computer that day about ten minutes after that thing went live, so I think, like, four people had voted in the poll at the time, but I did see the poll.

Miss Alli: Well, I often vote more than once, so...

[Here we have a boring conversation about voting in MBTV polls, and a couple of other things that have more to do with me than with them, so who cares?]

Miss Alli: So, you did not tip your cab driver...

Rob: Ha...a-ha, here we go.

Miss Alli: And this was the start of all your problems...

Rob: The start of our curse, yes.

Miss Alli: Why did you not tip your cab driver?

Rob: You know, because we'd only received a limited amount of funds, and the way that -- when we learned the rules before the show started, it really, really seemed like money was going to be a huge issue. We assumed nobody would tip. In fact, I think a couple of the other teams didn't tip. But, of course, it's better television to show the lawyers not tipping. The funny thing about it is, the cab driver knew the whole time what was going on, you know, it wasn't any big surprise when it came down...it really wasn't as big a deal as they made it out to be. I mean, looking back, obviously, when we found out a couple legs later that money wasn't going to be that big of an issue, of course, we wished we had tipped him.

Brennan: I think we actually did talk about that. I know that it came up, that we regretted not tipping him. And, you know, in our interviews, during casting, they asked us questions like, "What are you gonna do when you don't have any money and you're stuck in some foreign country?" And so with questions like that, we really thought it would be a big issue, and so to us, you know, we're racing around the world for a million dollars. All right, so we piss a few people off, and don't tip them. That's just what we thought we had to do. Do that instead of running out of money and being stuck in the deepest rain forest of the Amazon jungle, so that's what we did.

Miss Alli: Well, and in fairness, I don't think the show made as big a deal out of the fact that you didn't tip them as [MBTV] did...

Rob: Of course.

Miss Alli: I actually think that really sprang the whole thing...

Brennan: What happened was, before the show, you hear who all the teams are, and you've got this lawyer team. And people decide right from the beginning, "We're not gonna like them." So as soon as we do one bad thing, "Oh, my gosh, these guys are horrible! They didn't tip their cabbie, we're never gonna like them." And I think that's what really hurt us on that one.

Miss Alli: And there's that wonderful shot of you, uh, practicing law. In the credits.

Rob: Yes, and you know, we do that so often, Brennan and I do. Law dictionary in our, uh...

Miss Alli: That shot cracks me up every time.

Rob: That shot has been our doom with all our friends and family.

Brennan: We knew from the moment we did that shot that it was going to come off as, like, cheesy as all get out.

Rob: They wanted to do something at the law firm, you know, an establishing shot there, but of course with a hundred other lawyers, nobody's going to sign all the confidentiality waivers to allow that to happen, so...

Miss Alli: And I have to say, you both look like you're trying not to laugh.

[Note: Here, Rob takes another call on his little cheeping cell phone. After commiserating with Brennan a little more about the bad cheesy opening shot, I go in search of one of my "Brennan-only" questions.]

Miss Alli: Were you surprised that there was a little bit of a flap about your Guido-rat-temple imitation?

Brennan: No, I wasn't surprised. In fact, as the episode aired, I looked at somebody and said, "Oh, I'm going to be labeled a homophobe." I knew that would probably be the case, but...I thought somebody online did a good job kind of explaining it. It had nothing to do with the fact that the guys were gay. It had everything to do with the fact that they're kinda prissy. They always look so nice, and prim and proper, and I could just see them running through the rat temple, just...you know, acting just like that. [laughing] I thought it was actually a pretty good imitation, myself.

Miss Alli: Well, it was one of those things where I understood how it could have been completely innocuous from your perspective, but I also understood why people didn't like it.

Brennan: Right. No, I understood as well. All I can say is that Bill and Joe sent me a huge compliment -- they loved it, so...

[Here, we talk some more about the endlessness of forum debate regarding that issue, and how it dragged on because it was the week the show took a break for the CMAs, so nobody had a new episode to move on to. We compare it to the endlessness of the debate about the Guidos taking people to the wrong train.]

Miss Alli: So, your charming alliance that you started. What was the point of that?

Rob: You know, it's kind of funny, because really, the point of the alliance was, leaving Songwe Village that night, a lot of the producers and the villagers had been talking about, you know, it's a dangerous area, especially in the middle of the night. And we thought, there's safety in numbers, so let's team up and do that. And initially, we weren't even going to include Joe and Bill in the alliance; it was kind of an idea that Brennan and Frank and Margarita and I came up with. But Joe and Bill were in second place and leaving in between, so they would see us just standing outside waiting for Frank and Margarita, so that just kind of made it, well, let's put them in it, too. And as you saw, it kind of fell apart in a hurry.

Miss Alli: But it was intended -- I mean, obviously it was intended, at least for a while, that you were going to work with Frank and Margarita, right?

Brennan: Well, it kind of turned out that way. I mean, like Rob said, the real reason at the beginning was completely just for safety. But then once we got into it, and we started thinking about it, we thought, "You know what, we're three of the stronger teams here. We should be able to work together, because six heads are better than two." Not realizing, of course, that once we got to planes, it was going to start causing us problems. But, you know, it's just the thought of -- we should be able to figure things out more quickly. Let's see if we can take these three teams, and get out far ahead enough that we can get a lead on everybody else and then at the end, [it'll] sort itself out. Which ended up happening anyway. But, yeah, obviously it quickly deteriorated, and that's just not something that can work in a game like this. I think it could have worked for just what we did -- staying safe for the one night, and then the morning, once we get to the safari, just say, "Okay, now it's time we go our separate ways."

Miss Alli: Sure. And those, uh...what do I want to say? The more immediate and not-long-lasting cooperation things seemed to work fine.

Rob: Yeah, I mean, sharing information...it turned out to be, over the course of the race, each leg was kind of a distinct race in and of itself. So if you were near a team and you could help each other out at that point, that worked. But there was really no way to carry it over the distances that we traveled between legs.

Miss Alli: That's of course actually part of the rap on you guys, according to one of my folks, as you may know -- The Glomming Onto Other People Theory.

Brennan: Well, I think that all came from Frank saying that a bunch of times. I think some people, after Frank said it two or three times, some people started to believe it. Because if you look through the race, when can anybody find any examples of it, other than the very last episode, where we said something about "we were going to follow you." And of course that really was intended more as a joke, because both teams knew that we had four hours to get to our destination, so it didn't matter what we did...

Miss Alli: I think they take it partly from that, I think they take it partly from Kevin in the airport in Tunisia...

Brennan: Right. Which...that one didn't come off exactly the way it happened. If you ask Kevin -- in fact Kevin jokes about this -- you ask Kevin whether he helped us or not, he'll say, "Absolutely not." I know -- he told me that some of his friends said, "Oh, that was nice of you to get the lawyers on that flight," and he said, "I didn't get the lawyers on the flight!" What happened on that one was -- I did, we did glom onto them, but what happened was, Kevin and Drew were getting tickets for Nancy and Emily, and I saw that they were getting on a flight. So I went up and I started begging my way onto the same flight. The only way that we glommed on was, they were getting on the flight, and we noticed that, and we knew there were seats. So I went up and I begged my way onto that flight.

Rob: Yeah. You should've seen Brennan working this one, man. He was...[laughing]I mean, he was the master. He was the beggar. It was unbelievable what he did.

Brennan: But in the end, they didn't show that! All they showed was Drew's quote that he said, "Oh, we got three teams on this flight." So it was kind of, as a result of them getting on, we got on the flight, but Kevin didn't say [hilarious friendly-six-year-old voice], "Hey, do you guys want to get on this flight with us?" They were actually angry, because what ended up happening was, they ended up having to hold the flight for all the three teams, and the reason was because we were the last team to get tickets, and we were the ones that kind of caused that delay.

Miss Alli: Okay, well, here's my question -- this is what I never really understood, and maybe I'm just not enough of an airport person, but stuff like Kevin begging his way onto that flight -- you eventually got twelve people onto that flight, right? [This includes the six team members and the six crew with them.]

Brennan: Yep.

Miss Alli: If there's twelve spots on that flight, how come you've gotta beg? Why doesn't she want to put you on the flight?

Brennan: See, I don't think there were twelve. I think they ended up bumping some other people off. And the thing that happened was, we finally got eleven seats, and they just randomly picked eleven people [of the twelve that were trying to get on], and the person that got left out was Nancy and Emily's sound man. So immediately, Kevin's like, "Wait a minute here, it should be someone from Rob and Brennan's team that's not going to make this flight, so THEY don't make it," and I said, "You're absolutely right," and we tried to change it. So that's when I really got into begging mode. I don't know what she did -- I don't know any more than you do. She made a phone call, and all of a sudden she said, "All right, I got you a twelfth seat." And I don't know if they called ahead to the gate to see if there's anyone there that would volunteer to get off...it must have been something like that, because originally they only had eight seats, then all of a sudden they had eleven seats, and then all of a sudden they had twelve.

Miss Alli: But I never get the whole begging-your-way-onto-a-plane thing.

Brennan: I know. I know. I don't know how it worked, all I know is it did work.

Miss Alli: How long did it take you to do the ping-pong? Was that the wrong choice?

Rob: You know, no, the ping-pong was definitely the right choice, and that's the joke of it. Yeah, we got our butts kicked, what was it, twenty-four to five? But when you think about it, how long does it take to play thirty points of ping-pong, when each point is maybe five, ten seconds?

Miss Alli: Especially when he's kicking your ass like that. It goes good and fast.

Rob: Yeah, yeah, exactly. We literally played that kid for maybe five minutes, and that was it, and we were out of there. Even though we got our butts kicked. I mean, that's a whole heck of a lot shorter than getting on a...what did they do, they got on a bus, they got on a motorcycle, and they got on a rickshaw. So it was definitely the right decision. And then we got Drew the day on Rosie, saying, "Oh, you know, they took as long to play ping-pong as we did to do our rally, so..."

Miss Alli: [laughing] So that's your Drew impression?

Rob: Yeah.

Miss Alli: That kid was good. He warmed up on Frank, I think.

Rob: Man, Frank scared the crap out of that little kid.

Miss Alli: Is that what you think it was?

Rob: Yeah. I think Frank has pretty much copped to that. I mean, here's this monster guy Frank coming up, and the kid has probably never ever seen something like that in his life, so...there you go.

Miss Alli: So what was with the Taj Mahal? He showed it to you. He showed it to you, the Taj Mahal.

Rob: Oh, you mean during the Roadblock.

Miss Alli: Yes.

Rob: Yeah, you know, that was completely my fault. The funny thing is, you get so trained to want to move as quickly as you can. All you do is, when you get to the end of a task, you reach for the clue, grab it, read it, and move. Now he opened up this box, and the clue was sitting in it. I didn't think to look and see if there was anything else in the box. The funny thing is, I don't think any other team did, except for Joe and Bill.

Brennan: The other thing you've got to remember is, a lot of times when you would get a clue, they would somehow dress it up a little bit. You remember the famous Kevin line in Episode 2, where Drew goes, "What's this elephant?" and Kevin's like, "Oh, it's just a tchotchke." So there were little things lying around a lot of the time, so I think with Rob, what happened was he just got in there, and this guy opened up this box, and there was some little pretty thing to it, but he didn't care. He just grabbed the piece of paper, turned around, and left. And that's why he missed it.

Miss Alli: It was interesting, somebody commented someplace -- I forget where I read this, but somebody commented that the clues got easier. At the beginning, they had that one for Victoria Falls that was like, "Smoke that thunders," and then by the end, they were like, "Go here." So they did seem to get a little bit easier.

Rob: You know, and I don't know if that was intentional. That was one window into the producers' minds that we didn't get a chance to see. I think it might be because over the course of the race, there were different interpretations of clues sometimes -- people would argue that they should be able to do this, or do that. Like the train argument, you know. So I think the producers just leaned toward, well, let's avoid that, and just make the clues a little more straightforward.

Miss Alli: All right, infuriated pack-tossing in India. What's your deal?

[Here, they discuss what they want to say about this, because part of it is stuff they can't get into. Brennan then has this to say about the OTHER part of why Rob was so pissed.]

Brennan: It was also a result of sleeping out all night long at the rat temple, bothered by the locals, and then getting the drunken cab driver who got us completely lost, and we're yelling at the top of our lungs -- in fact, I never heard Rob yell so loud during the whole race as when we were yelling at this guy to stop, because he's just got us completely lost, and finally Rob just yells at the top of his lungs, "Just STOOOOOOP!" He stopped in his tracks finally, gets out of the car, goes wandering off into the woods drunk. Finally gets back into the car, and we end up hiring a -- it's like five o'clock in the morning, we end up hiring a motorized rickshaw for us to have our car follow. Finally get to the palace, and that was kind of the immediate reason. He wouldn't have been so mad -- I was, too, I just -- I didn't grab my pack, but we were both mad.

Rob: I would just say it was a combination of all those things.

Miss Alli: It seemed like you got no lead from your Fast Forward. Why is that?

Rob: Well, that's the whole -- taking the Fast Forward in the first leg...

Miss Alli: But even though you took it in the first leg, it seemed like later ones, you would at least get a few hours. Y'all seemed to get nothing.

Rob: Well, it's -- we answer this question all the time, and it's just, we didn't know how the game worked at that point. We thought a Fast Forward was something that was designed to catapult a team in last place into first place. So if we take it in the first round, it's going to give us a seven- or eight-hour lead that we're going to be able to keep for a few legs and be safe. We didn't know about the extremity of the bunching, you know, and how it happens ALL the TIME.

Miss Alli: Sure, no, and I'm not really asking that. I'm not asking about the strategy of doing it. I'm asking --

Brennan: You're asking about how much it sucked.

Miss Alli: It seemed to be one that hardly saved you any time. Irrespective of what leg it was.

Brennan: I think it was a feature of the first leg. Because in the first leg -- that was the only time that production reserved seats for us on the planes; they had to get us to South Africa, you know, and it took a long time to get us there, so once we finally -- 'cause most legs, they would give you the Fast Forward at the beginning of the leg.

Miss Alli: Yes!

Brennan: And this one they didn't give us anything. They didn't give it to us until the very end of the leg.

Miss Alli: Yes.

Brennan: And then the Boiling Pot thing that we had to do was just, it was a ridiculously long hike, and that took as long as it did for doing the bungee jumping. The thing that wasn't shown was we were actually the first team to get to that route marker. You know, we got there at the same time as Joe and Bill and Frank and Margarita, but they both got lost...as FRANK was FOLLOWING Joe and Bill [I laugh and mutter, "Bitter, bitter"], they all got lost, and then Rob and I got to that first, so that's why we knew we could get it, but so the truth is, we were there first. We probably still would have won the leg even if we hadn't gotten the Fast Forward. 'Cause since we got to that one first, hopefully we would have found the bungee jump thing first. I think in the end -- in the end, it may have COST us time. We may have -- because we only beat them, I think, by 23 minutes, and we may have beat them by more than 23 minutes if we had done the bungee jump.

Rob: I will say this, though, making that mistake, or not necessarily a mistake, but taking the Fast Forward in the first leg, and even not having it help us -- I think ended up being a good thing for us, because it was never a consideration the rest of the game. It never entered into a debate. We just knew we had to do the other task.

Miss Alli: I understand that. And like I said, I wasn't really asking the strategic question; I was asking the -- not only was it the first leg, but it seemed like it was the suckiest one.

Brennan: It was. The advantage...some of the Fast Forwards, they just didn't work out like expected. That's got to be hard for production to set those up, because you never know how long it's actually going to take people to do the regular parts of the leg, so I actually thought they did a pretty good job of being sure that the teams always won. Until they got to the Guidos, but that was their own fault.

Miss Alli: Yeah. [laugh] What a traaa-gic episode that was. Anyway, a couple more swirls of controversy. Flying Wedge. Tunis airport. Thoughts? Any left? Anything left to say? Has it all been said?

Rob: Ah, the Tunis airport incident...I think it has all been said. There's really no angle that hasn't been talked about. Is there, Bren?

Brennan: I thought they really fleshed that one out on the show pretty well. I'm trying to think if there's anything else. I don't think so. I think what was shown was what happened.

Rob: Yeah. They deliberately tried to block us, and then lied about it, and that was shown, so that came across...

Brennan: And they continued to lie about it the whole rest of the race.

Rob: The really disappointing thing about it is that the footage of the actual incident couldn't really show the extremity of it and the severity of what was going on, like, you didn't see the armed guards hauling out their M-16s, you didn't see things like that. And it was simply because the cameramen were involved in the whole friggin' fiasco.

Brennan: Well, and the one other thing besides the fact that they lied to us at the time, they continued to lie throughout the rest of the race. And I think the reason for that was because they were afraid of getting penalized. I guess I can't...speak for them, but everyone always wonders -- how could they possibly know that it's going to be shown on TV, that they just got it caught on film, and then they sit there and lie. Like, that's the one thing -- everybody's like, "All right, if they did it, they did it, but then they lied about it afterwards," and I think the reason they did that was they didn't want to get penalized.

Miss Alli: I think that's -- that's what Sars wondered, I think, too. About that same thing.

Brennan: Yep. I honestly, I think that was the reason why. Because they had to know that it got caught on tape, and they had to know that everybody -- that it was going to come across on TV, but by the time it's on TV, the race is already over, and they don't have to worry about getting penalized. If they got, like, a severe penalty at the time, then they're done. So it's better to come off like the bad guys than get disqualified from the game.

Miss Alli: All right. Slow boat to Tunisia. How ugly was the ticket-buying?

Rob: You know, it's funny -- the funny thing about that whole thing is Bill claiming that he had us in the palm of his -- of his hand, and what you didn't get to see was, when Bill screwed up the number of tickets, and they came back in bad order, Bill basically breaking down in tears and the rest of us having to put everything back together for him. That was what was so humorous about him, obviously after the incident, saying how he was controlling the game.

Brennan: Yeah, and it was one of those things where it came across in the episode that they were the first ones to the window, and he mentioned, "Hey, I can help everybody out," so we're like, "Hey, go ahead." The truth is, if he wasn't there, we still could have figured out how to get tickets. We did fine in every other country. So the fact that he was willing to do it for us, good for him, let's let him help us. But, then when he comes across in an interview saying, you know, that he was holding us in the palm of his hand or playing us like violins, that's just kind of ridiculous. We could have gotten by without him if we had to.

Miss Alli: In many ways, I actually think that was their low point. In some ways, even worse than the airport.

Rob: Playing us like, what was it, violins?

Miss Alli: That was...they lost me right there. It wasn't even the airport.

Rob: You LOVED them in the first episode.

Miss Alli: I know. It's a long season.

Brennan: Everybody loved them.

Rob: Well, the funny thing is, I remember watching the first episode, and Brennan and I kind of looked at each other like, "Hey, they're coming off pretty well." I think we knew at that point that they were clearly going to be the villains, so it was curious to see -- "Hey, they're having a good episode. What the hell is this?"

Miss Alli: Well, and what's really funny is, I watched the first episode [again] not that long ago. I watched it, and now I can see all the stuff that happened later, I can see it in the first episode. You can see them going, "Woo-hoo! We're first!" And I was like, "Ohhhh."

Brennan: You think it's cute; you don't realize that they're really, like, cocky.

Miss Alli: Exactly. So, cabs in Paris in the middle of the night, and Frank.

Brennan: Mm-hmm.

Miss Alli: Who, apparently, is still angry about this.

Brennan: Yeah, well, the thing he was angry about was the leg before, when we took the cabs to the Ferris wheel.

Miss Alli: Ohhhhhhh.

Brennan: That was the downfall of Rob and Brennan and Frank and Margarita. What happened was, they got stopped -- we were all running for the Ferris wheel, and Margarita was saying, "Oh, we can make it all the way down there." And we had about 15 minutes. And Margarita was saying, "Oh, we can make it all the way down there," and I kept saying, "No, we need to get a cab." So, we finally decided, let's get a cab. And just at the time we were trying to get a cab, at the cab stand, some cops stopped us. They really stopped Frank and Margarita. It was because you had to have a filming permit to film on the Champs Elysees. And at the time, we were just all frantic, trying to get in a cab. Well, a cab happened to open up, you saw me say to that lady, "Hey, we've got to get going," we jumped in, and we went down to the Ferris wheel, assuming that they were going to, you know, talk to the cops, and they were going to say that everything was okay, and they were going to hop in a cab, and follow behind us. Never intending to try and make it to the Ferris wheel hoping that they wouldn't make it. And now I look back on it, sure, we probably should have waited and helped them out with the cop situation, but we just figured that they would make it as well. And they took that as though we were trying to leave them hoping that we were going to make it and they weren't.